I’m no fan of the type of sadoporn that Max Hardcore and his ilk produce, but I was very disturbed to read that his conviction was upheld, meaning that he’ll have to continue serving his roughly four year long prison sentence from obscenity charges. As reprehensible as the movies he made may have been, no laws were broken in making them (ie. the acts themselves were legal) and no one was hurt (non-consensually anyway; nothing beyond permissible constraints of acting). I find it very disturbing that one can be charged and get significant time for doing/saying something legal.
Max Hardcore’s lawyers were hoping to fight the conviction based on the idea that obscenity — a concept which personally I don’t think should exist at all — is defined by the community that consumes or is exposed directly to the content (for example, a national average if not something more specific). However, the prosecution was making the claim that the community could be hand picked, meaning that you could determine obscenity by the most conservative possible community even though they are obviously not the target market (which is what they did, choosing a extremist Christian-heavy community in Florida to poll). I have to wonder what’s next… Could community standards be based on the morals of a repressive Islamic community for example?
The borders of free speech — and human/civil rights in general — can not be dictated by or for the masses, let alone the repressive masses… Rights only have value when they extend out to the borders of expression and lifestyle and belief, as those are the elements of society that need the rights. Obviously the masses have protection by default. Anyway, I don’t normally comment on politics here any more, but this is a particularly disturbing case in my opinion.
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I hate Max Hardcore porn with a passion. Imho he is an misogyne (sp?) asshole, period.
But that is not a crime and he should absolutely not be in jail. He did not break any law.
What kind of justice system chooses some random people and entitles them as judges to send someone to jail for no other reason than their own personal feelings about sexual moral and obscenity?
That is scary and totally wrong.
And what I find extra scary is the fact that everyone who sides with Mr. Hardcore is easy to ignore o silenced because of the same bigot morals and the kind of work he made his money from. Well, I find his porn degrading, but what is happening to him is still plain injustice.
Whoa, I’m fighting fith english quite a bit today :).
There is a great interview/article by David Foster Wallace in the collection “Consider The Lobster” where he writes about his time with Max Hardcore.
Highly recommended.
If consenting adults decide to participate in the most disgusting, vulgar, distasteful, morbid, and sexually explicit act in all of history, it is still perfectly legal. You can find things distasteful, but luckily, American’s taste does not (atleast should not) govern legislation. Repulsion is not grounds for prosecution.
Hmm, I don’t know how I feel about this. I think certainly jail time is not appropriate, but I think there should be some discussion about pedaphilia as an mental illness and the influence that mock child pornography has on it.
Its not anything I’m well schooled in, but I think the outrage he causes should spark a discussion/debate and tossing him in jail is no way to address the bigger problem.
Sadly, America’s taste does govern legislation. Wouldn’t gay marriage be legal by now? We are a pathetic country.
I’m all for porn and freedom of speech and expression, but come on, you have to abide by society rules. Sure what the porn out here in California is no shock to me and many others, NY, Chicago, hell I have dated women that have been pissed on before, but from what I understand he is in jail for selling his vids in Florida. Those hicks down south aren’t into kinky stuff. Look Red States are Red for a reason, Max was dumb enough to sell in those screwed up Red States, so he is paying the price. Greed comes with a price. Hey Max when you get out, make sure you sell your vids to the people that like them, not in states where they will hang you for cuming on a girls face!
Max Hardcore will suffer for a long time for the suffering he has caused and suck shit to him is a total deadshit and derserves more time getting bashed and raped in Jail you fools don’t know the difference between right or wrong justice doesn’t care weather it was legal or not that means nothing the fact is his life has been wrong and now he will PAY!
I think you miss a fundamental issue, a very tiny, abysmally small minority of people are accepting of the type of obscenities this man deals in, the vast majority of the population would find such activities unacceptable. Ideally, as a collective body, the majority should have a right to draw a line, it’s called consensus, and it overrules the rights of individuals who are hell bent on doing whatever they desire; who, in doing so, are ignoring the consequences of their actions for society at large. I personally do not believe we need patriarchal indulgences such as extreme abusive pornography and I’m opposed to its production. If one wants to do that stuff, best do it with those who fully consent, with those who have not been coerced or tempted by the promise of financial rewards, or exploited due to insecurity, and especially, don’t film it and distribute it for profit, nothing good comes from the production of this material. However, it’s a shame we don’t apply the same rules to the corporations who are destroying our planet, that’s my biggest gripe with all of this.
Interesting, in your stand for freedom of speech, you deem it necessary to censor comments; it appears somewhat hypocritical.
Calm down Blip, your comment was not censored, that’s just the way WordPress works by default to avoid spamming (ie. because you were an unknown writer, your first post had to be approved manually).
Anyway, civil rights are about protecting the fringes from the mainstream consensus. If you go with giving the decision as to what rights people get to the collective average, then you don’t get gay rights, minority rights, and so on.
It seems clear that indeed Mr. Little finds himself incarcerated because of the breaking of STANDARDS, not LAWS, hence one of the only valid points is poster Justice, who believes he got what he deserved. But the problem is that ‘getting what one deserves’ is fate and karma, and in theory, our country is set up as a republic, governed by set of elected officials bound to uphold the rule of LAW in the land. I find it hard to believe a father or brother or ex-boyfriend of at least ONE of the women Mr. Little subjected to his depravity didn’t ‘give him what he deserves’, but I find little solace in a rigged courtroom procedure doing same. Just change the variables to fit circumstances different but similar and it’s easy to see a mis-justice has been carried out. That said, aside from the pens and mouths of civil rights advocates, I don’t there is too many crying going on in the general public for the likes of ‘Max Hardcore’.
The truth about those who wish to censor pornography is that many of these fanatics are so intent on stopping what they consider the various harmful images of pornography from being displayed on America’s collective screens that they are probably missing the actual injustices that occur in this world.
Even pornographers will say that there are some un nice people in their community. I imagine behind the scenes of some studios there is coercion,harassment and even rape. Mostly this would be men against woman.
Max Hardcore has not been accused of anything like this,no he is accused of making dirty movies.Movies which offend some people,but hey observing the first amendment is not easy.If you don’t understand this you don’t understand the first amendment.
Why is the D.O.J. going after a guy like this instead of real villains,and I don’t want to hear that dumb argument about porno causing violence against women. Once you start censoring images that “could” have some influence on behavior you open up a door that leads to fascism.
The D.O.J. is scary.Even if you don’t like Max Hardcore and don’t care what happens to him,take a look at the case of Nada Prouty She is an ex CIA and FBI operative whom the D.O.J. has accused of being a traitor and whose citizenship has been stripped away by them. This despite the fact that the federal judge involved in her case has stood up for her and the CIA counterterrorism unit has exonerated her.I believe she is innocent and if you read all the details on her case I think you will to.
I am offended that these two people have suffered at the hands of this agency that is supposed to be about Justice.I don’t want to say anymore who knows maybe they will go after me. This is America isn’t it?
His sexual acts were beyond legal. He should have gotten life sentence or death sentence. And if you dont think so then you’re probably a rapist.
yea i totally agree with you. i think he deserve life in prison.
Well, I don’t feel sorry for him. I believe the first amendment if you ask the any of the founding Fathers if they were alive today was meant to protect freedom of political speech. Not sodomizing someone, vomiting on them, treating them like human excrement, etc. Just because some judge “interprets” the law to interpret it that way does not mean it was EVER meant to be that. I hope Max enjoys his “hardcore” time in prison. Maybe someone will treat him the same way, or maybe worse. Boohoo. Its called Karma. And Karma is a bitch.
Maxhardcore is a god. He has been totally screwed by the system. And Neesa is a fucking pig.
Justice, your a complete loser, if that’s your attitude then move to india ya moron.
The issue is that anyone can be charged with the same charges for basically anything.
“Societal standards” are always changing, so how can anyone possibly know what is considered obscene and what is not? By those standards, people can be put in jail for lesbian porn or three-somes. Picking your nose on video can be considered obscene.
If something is going to be illegal, be sure that the law states it clearly.
Once again, bottom line is NOT whether Mr. Hardcore is a repulsive pervert who ‘gets what he deserves’ but whether he broke the law and therefore should be summarily punished according to it’s tenets. And my personal opinion is that he did NOT break ANY laws, all the while being most certainly guilty of offending even extreme levels of decency. The reality is the powers that be should have pursued him in a different manner, such as tax evasion or even on a statutory level, not a trumped up ‘obscenity’ charge. In real life, that guy could almost never be without bodyguards as there were a slew of fathers, brothers and ex-boyfriends all too happy to ‘set him straight’. R
The obscenity charge is a joke.. what some of you people do not understand is there are plenty of people around the country that enjoy Max’s movies.. (women included).. One person’s trash is another person’s treasure.. The fact that community standards are not truly set by the community as a whole violates the 1st amendment completely…
I doubt there are many out there that support Max and the way he dupes the girls but the fact is.. they signed a contract… used car salesman and loan officers do it all the time… you can’t continue to protect people from themselves every waking moment.
It is a travesty of justice to imprison someone for making a legal porn film. Someone is spending 800 billion per year on porn films. This is still a free country and unfortunately there are still some religious zealots who want to control what we do in the bedroom.
The thing is with stuff like this, is if you don’t like it don’t watch it.
At the moment there are too many grey areas in law, at what point does the kinky porn I like become illegal, should I switch it off if they slap the girls bum a bit too hard, I mean really, it’s ridiculous, you can’t regulate something like that and tell people not to do it, here is what should be the law as I see it:
The performers should all be over 18 and have participated freely.
That’s it, end of law, then the authorities should ensure that they are all over 18 as well, and all internet porn sites of any description are only putting on people of legal age, and the responsibility should be on law enforcement to catch perpetrators who make porn with underage girls. That way the whole internet porn world would be safe, and I don’t have to think “Now I know there are rules in the UK about breathing and that girl just sat on that other girls face, can she breathe? oh I’m scared now I better turn it off” It really is ridiculous if you ask me.
Well Big D you should also fight to make rape legal since you compare spanking to a Max Hardcore film because that’s what I get from watching his films, rape.
If you want to live in a free society, you must be willing to put up with things that you don’t like. There are many people in this country that are just itching to impose their “values” on others. I personally believe that people who worship Christ should be committed to mental institutions. I’m sure you religious idiots would take offense to that statement and find it outrageous which is entirely the point. People from all over the world have fled from their homelands to this country for this very reason – religious persecution. Yet, these same people want to imprison others for not believing or acting as they do. Talk about hypocrisy.
to anyone who considers Max’s work to be rape. its not.
many of his female co-stars have returned to work with him in other films. you think a fucking rape victim returns to her rapist for some more? america is on a fast course to fascism. without freedom of speech there would be no artists. you wouldnt be able to listen to you’re favorite musician or admire a photographers work. why? because they wouldnt be able to take any risks. art is risk, porn is art. if you dont like it, go look at something else. it is a (supposedly) free country after all (BS)
max rocks it aint wrong its good for some and not for others and for those that dont engage in similar practices then dont concern yourselves with wot others chose to do consentually
max will be back and if not he will teach others to ply his trade
You do realize that there are plenty of documented cases, lawsuits, and police reports regarding what this “man,” has done to the women he’s employed, right? Not everything that happens in his films is consensual and what the actresses signed up for. You might call it duping on the same level as getting cheated by a used car salesman; I call it rape. Try a little bit of googling on this one. I’m not even talking about Neesa here.
Personally, I don’t care the reason he was sent to prison, as he was able to get away with doing a lot of illegal things for a long time.
hey your mom, EVERYTHING max does with the bitches is in the contract they read (if they’re iqed over 50) and signed.
1: Max always made waterproof contracts, he’s not in jail for what he did to the women, but for distributing them in certain stes.
2: In jail they rather make him a hero than fuck him, since he’s a porn master.
3: he’s free in just 2 more months on July 19, 2011.
MAX Rules, I dont know what all the fuss is about, if those dumb bitches wanted to be treated like sluts then let them. For me i find his content funny not really a turn on but funny how far wormen will go for money. If we are talking about morals then looks at it from both sides, the women didnt have to take part. They are simply greedy and looking for a quick buck or make it into main stream porn for better money. I think end of the day they deserve what they get for being so greedy and desperat!
Only a month away for him to be out, i wonder if he will start up again. He should come to europe! Wouldnt it be cool if Rocco & MAX made a movie together with Anal Kelly and Betty from the GGG movies. That would be one f**ked up movie LOL
There is a special place in hell waiting for that old scumf$$k. He is preying on young girls who are probably runaways who have been abused, raped, etc., because a girl has to be insane for being in his vile, misogynistic, hateful and nightmarish “films.” These girls have low self esteem, if any, are probably feeding their drug habit, some may have a pimp in the background who makes them do this kind of deplorable work, and takes their money- one never knows. If men really loved and cared for young ladies, they would NOT look at, or buy this garbage. I haven’t actually seen a clip of it, but have read, um, enough about the awful, degenerate films. His films mimic child porn. That isn’t a crime? You people claim that you hate this guy, but support him?! I love the female judge who sentenced him and brought this piece of crap to justice. What Max Scumcore does is he loves breaking the spirits of young girls. That is evil, mean spirited and extremely hateful. Women give life, and his mother must be really proud of him. He should have been aborted at birth. This is one prime example of why women hate men. Rot in hell, Max Crapwhore!
Miss Jennie,
The point is not whether Mr. Little is a deplorable scumbag (he is) but whether if what he does breaks the law, and unfortunately he does not. Despite whatever the reason(s) or circumstances are behind his ‘line of talent’, bottom line is ALL are consenting adults and in no way forced to perform any of degrading acts depicted in MHC’s films. Why anyone would WANT ro do this, for whatever reason, be it financial reward, or kicks, or a combo of both is beyond me. But the man truly doesn’t break the law as we here in the US understand it. That said, Mr. Little’s stint in prison was ABSOLUTELY a result of the poor taste of the content of his films, but we all know two wrongs don’t make it right. Then again, there is also the adage that “one gets what one deserves”. And worse still, there IS a market for his brand of pornography, which is another matter altogether. CRT
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