Comments on: Quebec’s “Death With Dignity” Bill https://zentastic.me/blog/2013/01/18/quebecs-death-with-dignity-bill/ I can scarcely move or draw my breath // Let me, let me freeze again to death Wed, 06 Jan 2016 03:58:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: martini https://zentastic.me/blog/2013/01/18/quebecs-death-with-dignity-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-28873 martini Sat, 16 Feb 2013 04:45:28 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=13007#comment-28873 Well said my friend as always. One cannot argue with logic and compassion. I know first hand the misery that chronic and debilitating pain can have not just on the person afflicted but those who love them as well. I’ll see you soon!

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By: Shannon https://zentastic.me/blog/2013/01/18/quebecs-death-with-dignity-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-28546 Shannon Wed, 06 Feb 2013 14:05:42 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=13007#comment-28546 Saylor Geri

I think arguing (terminal) chronic pain with a healthy person is like getting them to intuitively comprehend infinity; the best that can be hoped for is for them to understand that it’s beyond comprehension, it’s on an altogether different band than normal pain, and one of the worst things that can be done is to relate their pain to any scale of normalcy.

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By: Elizabeth https://zentastic.me/blog/2013/01/18/quebecs-death-with-dignity-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-27831 Elizabeth Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:01:44 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=13007#comment-27831 Now I wonder what Nancy said.

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By: Operator https://zentastic.me/blog/2013/01/18/quebecs-death-with-dignity-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-27814 Operator Thu, 24 Jan 2013 14:23:10 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=13007#comment-27814 Having a parent suffering from a degenerative disease, I will be overjoyed to see the day when a person has the right to choose the standard for their own quality of life

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By: smyttie https://zentastic.me/blog/2013/01/18/quebecs-death-with-dignity-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-27767 smyttie Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:08:18 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=13007#comment-27767 Glad I’m living in Belgium where active euthanasia is legal even in case of psychic diseases.

You just have to avoid to go to a hospital run by a catholic organisation or doctor.

I hope that you will be able to use this option the day that you decide it has been enough.

On the other hand : stay alive, I like to read your ramblings :-)

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By: Shannon https://zentastic.me/blog/2013/01/18/quebecs-death-with-dignity-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-27738 Shannon Wed, 23 Jan 2013 01:16:08 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=13007#comment-27738 Nancy, wow, that’s extremely disturbing.

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By: Shannon https://zentastic.me/blog/2013/01/18/quebecs-death-with-dignity-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-27737 Shannon Wed, 23 Jan 2013 01:14:23 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=13007#comment-27737 Saylor, I wish it was that simple!!! In part that’s true, many of these symptoms, at least the subjective ones, can also be caused by opiate abuse and this made some of my early experiences with the medical community difficult — many doctors made the same assumption that you’re making. This was because of the way I looked though (tattoos, big beard, etc.) and not because of drug tests (as I was drug free at the time — didn’t even smoke pot). That said, there were symptoms like elevated CK levels that pointed at a more “real” cause, which eventually lead to CT scans, electrical tests of the muscles, both of which showed serious problems with the function of my skeletal muscles. After that, a muscle biopsy was done which clarified the exact nature of my condition. Yes, many of the pain-related symptoms can be caused by opiate abuse, but opiates don’t cause muscle tissue to be replaced with calcium lattices, so as soon as the biopsy was done, the nail was put in the coffin of the prejudicial idea that this was a drug problem.

Anyway, as I said I didn’t start taking optiates until YEARS after the pain developed. I’m not sure if your post was a dig or an attempt to be helpful, and really I’ve only let it through moderation because the incorrect assumption you’re making is something that many pain patients face and makes diagnosis much more difficult, unpleasant, and lengthy. I also agree that it’s always important for patients to be wary that the treatment they’re receiving could be making their problems worse rather than better… Especially in the case of rare diseases where doctors are somewhat grasping in the dark.

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By: Saylor Geri https://zentastic.me/blog/2013/01/18/quebecs-death-with-dignity-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-27511 Saylor Geri Sun, 20 Jan 2013 00:01:17 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=13007#comment-27511 You do realize that every single one of your “mystery illness” symptoms is that of severe opiate addiction. I mean, it’s pretty obvious.

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By: Richard Larratt https://zentastic.me/blog/2013/01/18/quebecs-death-with-dignity-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-27497 Richard Larratt Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:42:06 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=13007#comment-27497 yes

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By: Shannon https://zentastic.me/blog/2013/01/18/quebecs-death-with-dignity-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-27488 Shannon Sat, 19 Jan 2013 08:24:22 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=13007#comment-27488 In any truly free society there is a point in the life of the average person where they are trusted to decide what they want to do with their own body, but sadly some groups choose to legislate their morality onto others and often disguise it as the “word/law of God”, and if the ‘one size fits all’ mandate doesn’t suit everyone then those people have not been fully birthed and are less than sentient- and uhm, er yea God is testing them.

The laws of God (including physics, and?) are enforced by God, everything else is little more than a cosmic poker game where you are supposed to make the best of the cards you are dealt; then along come those who are essentially professionally (or spiritually) evil, to prey upon weakness for personal financial gain.

Freedom is lacking when the terminally afflicted are only trusted to decide what they want to do (with their own body) from options that serve the will of the establishment (or the man behind the curtain pretending to be God).

Ideally no one would want to end their own life, but reality (still) has it’s own agenda, and who’s body is it anyway? If our own bodies are not legally our own property then how free are we? Right to die legislation helps to codify that our body and mind belong to each other, not to the state, and not to anyone or anything else (unless we choose so).

The good news is I’m convinced that “Even death is not built to last.” But that’s another topic, and the validity of my argument relies heavily on agreeing on what defines an individual in the first place.

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By: Robyn https://zentastic.me/blog/2013/01/18/quebecs-death-with-dignity-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-27478 Robyn Sat, 19 Jan 2013 03:06:20 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=13007#comment-27478 Amen.

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