Comments on: Like a tiger defying the laws of gravity! https://zentastic.me/blog/2011/12/28/like-a-tiger-defying-the-laws-of-gravity/ I can scarcely move or draw my breath // Let me, let me freeze again to death Wed, 06 Jan 2016 03:58:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Shannon Larratt is Zentastic › Tiger-eye-eye-eye-eye-eye… no more https://zentastic.me/blog/2011/12/28/like-a-tiger-defying-the-laws-of-gravity/comment-page-1/#comment-17968 Shannon Larratt is Zentastic › Tiger-eye-eye-eye-eye-eye… no more Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:28:20 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=11780#comment-17968 [...] of, I read a book a few days ago about advanced World War II weapons, and of course they mentioned the Komet, which is also on that list. Amid much interesting technical information, they included the [...]

]]> By: starbadger https://zentastic.me/blog/2011/12/28/like-a-tiger-defying-the-laws-of-gravity/comment-page-1/#comment-17287 starbadger Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:36:23 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=11780#comment-17287 The Nutcracker never gets OLD.

]]> By: starbadger https://zentastic.me/blog/2011/12/28/like-a-tiger-defying-the-laws-of-gravity/comment-page-1/#comment-17285 starbadger Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:13:56 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=11780#comment-17285 What makes you so sure?
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]]> By: MissJanet https://zentastic.me/blog/2011/12/28/like-a-tiger-defying-the-laws-of-gravity/comment-page-1/#comment-17282 MissJanet Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:12:00 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=11780#comment-17282 I have an opinion about O.J. Simpson. He was guilty, but the trail was such a joke. I was actually relieved that he walked away after all that shit…

You put a man on the moon, I was 6 when you did it and my father woke me up and we watched it together, it was magic :).

9/11 happened and it was either a reaction to the christian arrogance the U.S. government over decades, or some scheme deep down in the underbelly of the CIA/FBI/government.

Not that I’m paranoid…

]]> By: starbadger https://zentastic.me/blog/2011/12/28/like-a-tiger-defying-the-laws-of-gravity/comment-page-1/#comment-17279 starbadger Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:56:39 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=11780#comment-17279 MISSJANET: here in America almost everyone has an opinion as to whether or not O.J. Simpson killed Ron Goldman. Do you? Do you ever wonder if we put a man on the moon? Are you sure 9/11 happened?

]]> By: Shannon https://zentastic.me/blog/2011/12/28/like-a-tiger-defying-the-laws-of-gravity/comment-page-1/#comment-17272 Shannon Fri, 30 Dec 2011 01:29:52 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=11780#comment-17272 MissJanet (in regard to post #1) – I think that’s reflecting how effectively Germans were beaten down and propagandized against after the war. I don’t think there’s been a culture in history that has been so effectively guilted and made to feel horrible about its decisions — which as you hint at in your last comment was a direct and rather predictable result of the devastating abuse of Germany after WWI (yet another war that never should have happened in the first place). Anyway, it’s not as if wartime mass murder (let alone mistreatment of Jews) is unique to the Nazis, and even in WWII alone it’s very easy to find warcrimes all around — think of the firebombing of much of Germany and even worse, Japan, with its paper cities, or the horrible rape-party that traveled with the Russians. It is so easy to see evil in war. Or in any culture. After all, many black athletes have famously gone on the record about how they were treated better in Nazi Germany than they were back at home in the USA, and there were a great many Muslims in the SS, and you could argue they were treated better there than Muslims are today by much of the West. But please don’t read that as me trying to sell you Nazism or somehow “redeem” anyone. I just would like to see a more nuanced dialogue.

Pull back and depersonalize it a bit and I hope you’ll see that the meme of the Nazis being some sort of ultimate evil without a shred of decency is a bit silly and stops us from seeing history with clarity… dooming us of course to repeat it over and over because we don’t recognize it when a similar cycle begins because we have such an inaccurate caricature in our minds about what came before.

And in any case, if you want to see the Nazi regime today, the LITERAL “Fouth Reich”, all you have to do is look at the USA. I don’t mean that in a silly political smear. I mean quite literally that a significant majority of the Nazi leadership and scientific, technological, and industrial foundation was simply relocated into almost identical — and well funded and unrestricted — positions in the USA immediately after the war. That shouldn’t be a surprise given how close the ties between American industry (Ford, GM, IBM, etc.) and the Nazis were — the only surprise is that America ended up fighting against them. Is America evil? I think a lot of people in Europe and even here in North America believe it is. Bush for sure was portrayed as a cartoon character of evil mixed with stupidity… As funny as that was, it was also wildly inaccurate. Again, the truth is nuanced. Anyway I’m going off on unrelated comments but my main point is, again, that we don’t do ourselves any favors by buying into a cartoon version of history.

]]> By: MissJanet https://zentastic.me/blog/2011/12/28/like-a-tiger-defying-the-laws-of-gravity/comment-page-1/#comment-17270 MissJanet Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:47:29 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=11780#comment-17270 Starbadger, no, Germany was not hijacked, the elements that made the Third Reich possible were poverty, hopelessness after the first world war, economic crisis, but also obedience to authority, fear and envy of others, depression and frustration, leading to an atmosphere where Hitler (and of course Goebbels) only had to light a spark to trigger an inferno.

]]> By: starbadger https://zentastic.me/blog/2011/12/28/like-a-tiger-defying-the-laws-of-gravity/comment-page-1/#comment-17269 starbadger Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:34:41 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=11780#comment-17269 Shannon – Grey Wolf is a great read or listen on Auduble books – of course it can’t ans where Hitler died – and yes – lots of forgeries and deceptions – what is certain and beyond conjecture is that the Vatican made a fortune moving money and people – 10,000s of well-off well-connected people. Like Eichman. Another 1-degree of separation soulmate I never chose knew or elected but I knew Omi who couldn’t stand Goebells – pure class snobbery – but didn’t have a problem with Eichman as he knew his place and that place was several rungs lower in the prussian pecking order.

]]> By: starbadger https://zentastic.me/blog/2011/12/28/like-a-tiger-defying-the-laws-of-gravity/comment-page-1/#comment-17268 starbadger Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:24:13 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=11780#comment-17268 Yes MISSJANET – Germany was hijacked by a mere handful of persons – and what a handful they were – they won the war then they lost it – if you know us you’re two degrees of separation from Goebells but you’re likely one degree if you link via the grandparents, parents and other family you say told you – there is a dvd you can buy thru AMAZON – The Goebells Experiment – ignore reviews – don’t trust a usenet copy – and be careful with your pronouns – I wish it wasn’t so hard to talk about this beyond cliche and denial.

]]> By: starbadger https://zentastic.me/blog/2011/12/28/like-a-tiger-defying-the-laws-of-gravity/comment-page-1/#comment-17267 starbadger Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:10:00 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=11780#comment-17267 what you are in is life

]]> By: MissJanet https://zentastic.me/blog/2011/12/28/like-a-tiger-defying-the-laws-of-gravity/comment-page-1/#comment-17266 MissJanet Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:30:33 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=11780#comment-17266 As german, living in Germany, I must disagree, at least partly. While I agree that Iran, Al Qaida and basically everyone who is a) not christian, b) has oil and c) does not agree with western culture is nowadays labelled “evil” to make it a mission to distroy them, it seems different to me when it comes to the Nazis.

From everything my grandparents, parents and other family ever told me, they actually WERE evil caricatures of humans. While maybe they did not start out like this, they tried to outdo each other in anticipatory obedience, without humanity and morality. There is no element that could rehabilitate them, ever, jimho of course.

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