Comments on: To the makers of music — all worlds, all times https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/02/12/to-the-makers-of-music-all-worlds-all-times/ I can scarcely move or draw my breath // Let me, let me freeze again to death Wed, 06 Jan 2016 03:58:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: marty h. https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/02/12/to-the-makers-of-music-all-worlds-all-times/comment-page-1/#comment-6072 marty h. Sat, 28 Mar 2009 16:59:47 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=6228#comment-6072 the only true value of anything; regardless of p&l, margins etc etc is what someone is willing to pay for it :)

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By: katherine https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/02/12/to-the-makers-of-music-all-worlds-all-times/comment-page-1/#comment-5597 katherine Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:00:36 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=6228#comment-5597 #10 & #11, aye, I submitted pictures of custom plugs about a month ago, and to my dismay realised that this wasn’t ‘enough’ for me to extend my already existing IAM account with, although I could create a new one. Just seemed odd.

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By: Seeds https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/02/12/to-the-makers-of-music-all-worlds-all-times/comment-page-1/#comment-5593 Seeds Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:15:21 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=6228#comment-5593 My misunderstanding – a “destination” is a “content” site, not a “redirector”. Agreed, then, that ads aren’t a good fit.

Agreed (from the outset) that Facebook is overvalued – much as Skype was – because it’s a popular website. The assumption is that there is inevitably a way to monetise that popularity (without destroying whatever made the site popular in the first place) despite the lack of any business model. Exactly the thinking that caused the dot-com bubble.

I also agree with Starbadger that you should do what you love, both online and off, and try if you can to make a living out of it. I don’t think anyone that comes here to read Shannon’s posts would disagree with that!

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By: Kim https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/02/12/to-the-makers-of-music-all-worlds-all-times/comment-page-1/#comment-5585 Kim Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:50:42 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=6228#comment-5585 They might have changed it after the takeover, but you can get a membership for any (accepted) submission be it experience or photo.

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By: LotN https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/02/12/to-the-makers-of-music-all-worlds-all-times/comment-page-1/#comment-5584 LotN Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:49:10 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=6228#comment-5584 #7 – Writing an experience that was featured was (is?) another way to extend iam membership. I’m sure there were a few other ways…

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By: Phil Moore https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/02/12/to-the-makers-of-music-all-worlds-all-times/comment-page-1/#comment-5583 Phil Moore Sun, 15 Feb 2009 04:58:10 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=6228#comment-5583 Ever listen to Willaiam S. Burroughs?

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By: BHG https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/02/12/to-the-makers-of-music-all-worlds-all-times/comment-page-1/#comment-5582 BHG Sun, 15 Feb 2009 03:35:34 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=6228#comment-5582 Facebook only holds value in the realm of those that find value in that realm. For example, the value of information. Take for example the amount of RAW data collected on ONE single user..Phone, Address, Name, Birthday, Valid Email Address, Company Name, Wife’s Name, so on and so forth….Shannon you and I both know all to well that that information becomes ALL to valuable to those listers/spammers out there…food for thought

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By: katherine https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/02/12/to-the-makers-of-music-all-worlds-all-times/comment-page-1/#comment-5580 katherine Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:34:24 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=6228#comment-5580 Just out of interest, when you ran BME could IAM memberships be extended by things other than entries to BME hard/extreme?

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By: starbadger https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/02/12/to-the-makers-of-music-all-worlds-all-times/comment-page-1/#comment-5579 starbadger Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:04:14 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=6228#comment-5579 Good Morning.

Hard for me but I’ll try to hold a focus given the interesting posts to shannon’s content should be king theme.

As I put my new web/w2iki/blog multiuser animal farm together I am aware with hard numbers of some of the websites or blogs that have been put up in a few months (the last few months) with a team of programmers

by bouncing off the social networks etc those sites are generating $25,000 net profit

the content is in the main $25.00/article graduate student rewrites of the real papers – and if you challenge one of the builders of these sorts of sites who is down here and speaks at the programmer meetings and fills young people’s heads with the idea that they too can be rick and by now the speaker is many millions over and his engine and his team of programmer is still chewing up the opportunity and of course he knows this stuff is difficult enough to actually do – I mean remember – shannon handed off a working site beyond critical mass and if you take a look at the self same reporting tools you can use that this guy uses to quickly build no new content websites – suffice to say – so this does not end on armwaving -

take a look at

https://www.mashable.com

that is an honest site that does it right not that there afre not a dozen ways to do it right and all too many ways to do it wrong

if some of you are thinking of building one of those money engines without content – don’t – shannon’s right – blog or web about something you love – the money might follw -
or not – it does not matter when it is your love

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By: rmx256 https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/02/12/to-the-makers-of-music-all-worlds-all-times/comment-page-1/#comment-5578 rmx256 Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:36:13 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=6228#comment-5578 Despite the fact that the particular Mozart aria on that record is among the most difficult and beautiful operatic pieces ever, I’m not sure if an aria sung by a mother who tells her daughter to kill someone else lest the daughter be disowned is the kind of thing that I want an alien culture to judge us on.

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By: Shannon https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/02/12/to-the-makers-of-music-all-worlds-all-times/comment-page-1/#comment-5576 Shannon Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:03:45 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=6228#comment-5576 Google isn’t really a valuable “destination” site though, at least not the part that generates high ad click-throughs. As you said, users come specifically to be redirected, so ads are a perfect match.

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By: Seeds https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/02/12/to-the-makers-of-music-all-worlds-all-times/comment-page-1/#comment-5575 Seeds Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:56:50 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=6228#comment-5575 Really interesting to hear what you have to say about online business models. My ex-bosses got me to look into this a lot in the hope of making lots of money. Completely deaf to the idea of “good content” but then again, that summed up their whole attitude. :)

I think the point you make about the internet being ultimately corrosive to content producers is valid… and well-acknowledged. It’s going to result in the collapse of the print media (sad) and the record companies too (perhaps not so sad).

The one thing I would point out is that your comment “no site that’s a valuable destination will ever manage a good click-through rate since the users come for what the site offers, not what their ads offer” is not always correct. The obvious counter-example is Google, where users come specifically to be redirected to other sites. I suspect that aggregators and sites that act as “redirectors” in some way can get away with ads / affiliate marketing (price comparison sites are another example). Whereas sites that rely on their content or community need a model more like the one that you established for BME.

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By: Andrew https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/02/12/to-the-makers-of-music-all-worlds-all-times/comment-page-1/#comment-5572 Andrew Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:27:07 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=6228#comment-5572 Facebook is weird. One thing that shocked me was when I saw you could actually buy silly little gifts to send to friends … I mean … come on! The trouble is, there’s most probably people out there that are stupid enough to buy them. A great get-rich-quick scheme though eh?

On a different note, have you seen the movie Contact with Jodi Foster? If not I think you’d really like it. It’s based on the SETI project and is one of my favourite movies.

Have a good day.

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By: Andrew https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/02/12/to-the-makers-of-music-all-worlds-all-times/comment-page-1/#comment-5571 Andrew Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:23:44 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=6228#comment-5571 Facebook is weird. One thing that shocked me was when I saw you could actually buy silly little gifts to send to friends … I mean … come on! The trouble is, there’s most probably people out there that are stupid enough to buy them. A great get-rich-quick scheme though eh?

On a different note, have you seen the movie Contact with Jodi Foster? If not I think you’d really like it. It’s based on the SETI project and is one of my favourite movies.

Have a good day.

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