Comments on: Revisionism https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/ I can scarcely move or draw my breath // Let me, let me freeze again to death Wed, 06 Jan 2016 03:58:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: starbadger https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-4/#comment-5304 starbadger Tue, 20 Jan 2009 12:45:41 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5304 yes BOTHROPS yes

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By: Bothrops https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-4/#comment-5303 Bothrops Tue, 20 Jan 2009 10:35:50 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5303 I cannot begin to explain the sad feelings I have regarding what BME and IAM have become. I deleted my page a while ago because I felt it was not the same.

On new years eve. I created an account to see what my ex had been writing about me. A few of my friends had told me that she was writing a large amount of lies and that I needed to see what was going on. (sorry for the run-ons its 4am).

Anyways, before I looked at her page numerous times and was subsequently banned from IAM I noticed a few sad and disturbing things about IAM/BME.

I must say that I love body modification. Specifically heavy body mods. such as facial tattoos etc..etc. and also the sexual side of body modification.

I feel like pre-rachel’s coup. IAM was a place where people who had different ideas (re:society,social and gender norms etc..etc..etc..) could go and be in an online community. It was the thing that was keeping me sane. It was my “safe haven” if you will from main stream society.

I feel like it was much more than an online journal site and more about freedom.Total freedom from the sick twisted mess that we call mainstream society.

When I looked at people’s pages I noticed that BME/IAM is now mainstream society.

It is a bunch of annoying “normal” people pretending to be original. Furthermore, I feel like chat areas like “the girls’ locker room” have just become places for psychotic ex’s such as Rachel to rant and lie about the men that they were with.

My ex was writing some pretty amazing and unbelievable lies. And the disturbing thing was that people ate this up. Even people that had been my “friends” on here.

In summary, the new BME/IAM is completely absurd. It is a sad pathetic shell of a formally innovative/cutting edge site re: alternative lifestyles.

I think I might rewrite this when I am more coherent. But for the time being I would love to see a site created not only for modified people per. se. but people who are different.

Anyways, if anyone wants to contact me my e-mail is

Bothrops06@yahoo.com

I would really like to hear from people that are truly different. I know this in an old entry and I hope someone reads this…..

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By: Gillian https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-4/#comment-5301 Gillian Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:15:43 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5301 And that, she will.

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By: Sheri D https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5292 Sheri D Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:32:13 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5292 I agree with #146; we really don’t need to attack someone personally on something that they’ve done professionally. There are two people who will know the WHOLE story, and that’s Shannon and Rachel. Conjecture aside, it sucks that all this had to happen, but it happened. Let them do what they want to the history of BME and IAM. We all know who created and founded the community, and if it’s going to become what most of us think it is than it might be best for Shannon to disassociate himself with it.

It sucks that things are being said about Shannon, but in the end do we really want to look just as ugly and as hateful as the ones doing the lying?

I’m prepared to support Shannon in any way that I can, but I hesitate to say that supporting him calls for behaving in the same fashion your all accusing her of doing (not the lying; the throwing of stones).

I LOVE that you all stick up for Shannon and Caitlin, but if Rachel is as horrible as you all say than I am sure she will take care of herself.

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By: Phil Moore https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5287 Phil Moore Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:30:21 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5287 Where you one of the unfortunate ones that witnessed the digging of the flowerbed NICOLE? If so, I am very sorry. We were (me and Johnny that is) much more “odd” in those days, although we are still mostly odd in the eyes of nearly the entire population of the world. Those were the good days.

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By: Richard Larratt https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5277 Richard Larratt Sat, 17 Jan 2009 04:11:04 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5277 JON P

I am somewhat confused at how you object to my post then make three points with which i can find no fault

on your first pt i admire you as one who saw what happened and acted at the time

on your 2nd pt likewise i admire you able to know who your friends are does not mean agreeing on everything

on your third pt i wager you’ll have your glee in a few months – maybe this is our pt of variance – i think when something you don’t like is busy destroying itself it is best to not alert it by your glee

in my view it is now a death ship a ship of fools and lepers – if you care for your friend you might suggest to her privately that she fade away get her dirty pix

and sure wish her friend rachel well while keeping at least a pacific away

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By: Jon P https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5273 Jon P Sat, 17 Jan 2009 02:11:22 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5273 Starbadger… phew. What a load of sh*t that post was.

1)I’m in agreement that BME and IAM are shit since Shannon was ousted. I deleted myself not long after and haven’t been back. It was something I genuinely loved and wanted to support with my own time and money. And I did for a while, trying to create a tangible offline BME community here in New Zealand. But people are greedy fools and never give back in equal amounts to what they take.

2)Lori St. Leone (spikesandstuds) is a good person and has given me sound advice over the years. She was always a friend and for that I will always be grateful. I don’t agree with her views of Shannon and Rachel and the side she took, but it doesn’t change the fact she’s a genuinely caring person and slagging her for the comments she makes ain’t shit. I’ve made negative comments too. We all have.

3)F*ck barbie-dolls who seek to turn grassroots communities into slick, media-savvy corporate ventures. BME was important to me but I’m just as liable these days to hope it all comes crashing down. I’ll watch with glee when it eventually succumbs to the sh*tstorm Rachel created.

Hail Satan :)

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By: starbadger https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5271 starbadger Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:32:12 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5271 Yes there was a mutiny and from the hindsight of a couple years it has gone
As mutinies go — bad for the mutineers. The mutiny that comes to mind, with

Captain Bligh and Fetcher Christian is the better read

The Bounty: The True Story of the Mutiny on the Bounty. Carolibbbne Alexander. HarperCollins. [20 pounds sterling20.00. xviii + 491 pages. ISBN 0-00-257221-4]. The story of the mutiny on HMS Bounty in 1789 has reached millions through the medium of the Hollywood film world. In this detailed, balanced and fascinating study of the mutiny, its origins, history and consequences, the author shows that, like so much Hollywood history, the story people know is a travesty of the truth. Miss Alexander, whose book was first published in the U.S., has gone back to the original records to …
It is my opinion that almost whatever we say here we are likely to regret having said it.

So why am I saying anything. Well to try to get some of you to step back from slagging.

Firstly, I am astonished that so many of you forget that when this thing went down the site set was worth between 5 and 10 million dollars. If shannon or rachel want to drink from the bitter cup of hindsight they could have settled out and either of them could have run the site successfully albeit in different ways.

Well that is not what happened. The way it went is available to anyone in Toronto who goes to the Courts. It might surprise you but anyone can go and buy a copy of your divorce (my divorce) or anything else that went on in a court room. It is part of due process.

The principles (Rachel and Shannon) can’t necessarily make it a KISS because of the undertakings they gave each other. But those undertaking are not a National Security Top Secret.

If you really want to know the exact numbers — go to the courts and find out. But lots of you were so near the process you know the numbers.

Shannon only got a fraction of what he could have got had he and Milo elected a friendly split earlier BEFORE 911 but likewise Milo at the price she paid and the staff she requires to run the site did not make an outstanding buy.

It is still likely that unless the site can clean itself up there will some day no one knows when a lawsuit which will put people in jail, it just takes one pissed off parent who feels bme has ruined their underage child.

You don;’t think so. Ask Conrad Black (NOT A US CITIZEN) how he feels about hiting the weight pile in a medium security jail in Fl.

NO THAT AIN’T A RAMBLE – IT MIGHT HAPPEN TO RACHEL TODAY.

IT don’t matter that in a few years he’ll (BLACK) will have his life and his lordship back. Barbara Amiel isn’t doing time and for sure she did the crime for which BLACK does the time. Not hard time but time.

At that level I admire Rachel because while we/you can debate how many of her Mutineers will be crackin’ rocks with her — I have never accused Rachel of playing that game – the woman has cojones.

Likewise I concur with a few of you who do not mock her health issues. I have a few friends — and so does Shannon — who have these damn afflictions like LUPUS which the doctors mock when they are not treating. The Stew that saved Shannon’s life has Narcolepsy — falling asleep – it’s real — like Shannon has learnt dealing with his chronic pain — a lot of likewise afflicted would appreciate if we would just say “yes I believe you are in pain”.

Of course Rachel is in pain. Do I believe she loves Ari. Yes I do. Do I believe she is a good parent. I BELIEVE SHE’D BE BETTER IF SHE WAS BACK RACING AND NOT LOSING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS MAKING T-SHIRTS.

I understand how irksome it must have been (FOR SHANNON) to see Rachel and the Mutineers just being crazie in their claims. But come on. We all know what happened two years or more after the event.

It’s too bad but it’s done and gone.

The family never met Rachel. We meet Caitan Jane and WE LOVED HER AND WE STILL DO ALWAYS HAVE = she many times met Shannon’s Grandfather and Grandmother. That’s the Cor. 13 = connection as it was a favourite of VATI (grandfather) at X-mass.

I wish Rachel well and a return to racing and just being the girl with the neck tatoo sliding/drifting at 129 mph and not lossing it and winning another photo finish.

I mean isn’t that what iambme was about — becoming who you really are not proving a pt.

I’ll cede Rachel the pt that by her force of will and cojones she can do what she wills but come on girl. You can kill yourself with that will. Go with your strengths and let the mutineers have it. That to me is the 64 dollar question. If they are as good as you claim and I’m willing to believe they are keeping the site up. The problem is elsewhere as we all know without the need for 146+ comments.

Could they run the site without Rachel and Shannon.

Could they give you time to go
back to L.A. get some warm air in your hair and maybe go down to the Baja with your new love.

Come on.

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By: Joan https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5269 Joan Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:32:47 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5269 I’ll make you cupcakes anytime :)

Lies breed lies, I think they find it easier each time they make up one cruel falsehood aimed to try to hurt those that know the truth and stand up for it. Somehow what I find more sickening tho are the ones that stay there, knowing the truth yet never speak out for fear of reprisals. That weakness of character must just eat away at your humanity

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By: estrojenn https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5266 estrojenn Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:40:11 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5266 meh, i’m no cheerleader. i just call bullshit when i see it. i also loathe people who tolerate lies and allow themselves to be manipulated – especially when they know the truth.

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By: Allahkat https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5264 Allahkat Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:42:26 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5264 And really, I’ve kept quiet for the most part on this because Nicole (and Gillian, and Joan, etc…) say what I am thinking so much more eloquently than I ever could; but the fact that someone would put someone else through this much hell mainly because they hate the “new” (she was there before you ever were you chompy-toothed money-grubber) girlfriend? That is one of the most pathalogically psycho “Hell hath no fury blah blah blah” things I have ever heard. Get over it Rachel. Go delete more things on BME to make it all about you. Oh, and don’t forget to delete out any of your old “fat” pictures. There’s a lot of them.
I have only met Shannon a couple of times, but he was always really nice to me; however I know Caitlin is one of the nicest, funniest people ever and the fact that people are trying to spread such obvious and ridiculous lies about her makes me just completely seethe with anger. She’s a better mom to your daughter than you ever were or will be.

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By: Allahkat https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5263 Allahkat Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:35:09 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5263 Do I get some sort of prize for being one of the first people to get kicked off of iam. by Rachel back in 2000 or so solely for the fact that I’m friends with Caitlin? If I get a choice, I’ll take cupcakes. But any prize will do.

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By: Gillian https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5262 Gillian Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:33:13 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5262 Why am I #1, haha. Maybe it’s because I’ve been their friend and their employer and am ones of the few to know the real truth, rather than only the he said/she said that most of you know. At least in part.

Anyway, the point is, is that no one still on iam else has the fucking balls to stand up and tell the truth about the history of bme, for the fear of getting kicked off and losing their internet home like the rest of us. yeah, shawn porter, i’m talking to you.

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By: Joan https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5260 Joan Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:29:03 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5260 oh…I just figured out the fourth..yay me…In no order of importance, I think it’s Gillian, Nicole, Estrojenn and myself..go team..lol

What I find funny is the comments that anyone who is friends with Shannon is a groupie or we are in a cult of Shannon, yet I was his and Caitlin’s friends long before BME was even started and so have many others..Maybe ot’s the fact that they are all using each other to get what they can, it baffles them to see real friendships so they have to allude to something sinister, like stalking, obsession or god forbid we must secretly want to “bone” him..It must be sad to only have fair weather friends, that will be by your side only as long as they are getting something out of it..yeah, sad..lol

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By: Joan https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5259 Joan Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:14:48 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5259 see what happens when you type in the dark with a dog sleeping in your lap? one last time, i know who 3 are but the 4th is alluding me

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By: Joan https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5258 Joan Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:14:03 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5258 ha, or maybe even fouth :P

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By: Joan https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5257 Joan Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:13:42 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5257 well I know who three of the four cheerleaders are, it’s the firth that is baffling the hell outa me

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By: rosie https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5256 rosie Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:27:15 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5256 Gillian, I remember those door-slamming posts as well. Everything you say in your comment sums up everything I loathed about her! God she was (and I suppose continues to be!) awful… but one could not help feeling sorry for her. It must be a really shitty life she leads…

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By: estrojenn https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5253 estrojenn Fri, 16 Jan 2009 03:30:40 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5253 i’d love to know exactly who those “4 cheerleaders” are…cause i’m reading this thread and seeing a whole lotta love….

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By: Danielle https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/12/revisionism-2/comment-page-3/#comment-5251 Danielle Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:43:42 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5978#comment-5251 I find it hilarious that the ’4 cheerleaders’ are actually 120 people responding to a single post.

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