Comments on: How shocking! https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/ I can scarcely move or draw my breath // Let me, let me freeze again to death Wed, 06 Jan 2016 03:58:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: CutThroat https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-5323 CutThroat Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:26:58 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-5323 “They still believe there’s an invisible man in the sky!” is one of my favorite quotes. (it’s from Mac Lethal)

However,
Even though I don’t think there is an invisible man in the sky, it really irks me to see/hear kids looking for approval from their parents by taking their parents views without thinking about it.
It reminds me of mock elections at school that seem to always mirror the outcomes of their parent’s actual elections.

Free thought is important. I discourage my own children from being my echo as much as possible.

That said, I’m not making any assumptions or judgements about the way Shannon raises his own daughter. This post just reminded me of my own experiences.

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By: Carmen https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4988 Carmen Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:35:30 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4988 Klem..well I do believe that religion has brought lots of problems into the world..though only because human are so basically corrupted..so they will want to do evil and base it on whatever they can (including their religion). Most people are simply waiting for their excuse to act like idiots. But I don’t think that makes “being religious” wrong. It is not the religion that is the bad part, it is the person embracing that religion. Honestly, crazy, psychotic people just want to find any reason to do harm.

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By: Elizabeth https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4987 Elizabeth Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:18:39 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4987 While I am not religious and in general terms agree that blind faith has been a great disservice to mankind, (one which the masses do enjoy for the most part) I disagree with the idea of a belief in God and prayer being so shockingly laughable. Prayer works. I imagine this virus inside of me questioning it’s universe. My God is the God of the virus. Breathing in and out, all that is and all that is not is God. Tangible to me as a kitten. My children and I disagree on this but I do strongly discourage them from mocking the spriritual experience of others. They still do of course, growing up in the Bible Belt…
We are the rhizome, the borg, etc and the matrix is. Explanation in scientific terms cannot make the snowflake any less wondrous.
Is it such a bad thing, a laughable matter to be awestruck by life?

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By: Klem https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4984 Klem Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:04:57 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4984 This is actually funny indeed….I understand that it may be shocking to some people, but if my daughter showed up with a comment like this, I d be really glad, especielly at such a young age..I suppose she doenst benieve in Santa Claus either..

Carmen : I personnally believe that religion as an institution has brought more arm than good in the world. And mother teresa and a few others are not enough to balance centuries of obscurantism, crusades and mass murdering. On a personal level though, I do not see anything wrong with it
Just my 2 cents

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By: Carmen https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4981 Carmen Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:35:22 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4981 I’m curious..why do you think it’s wrong to be religious?

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By: waiting4arson https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4979 waiting4arson Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:47:24 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4979 God could not have “objective reality” because God cannot be an object. Objects or things have limitations. God, in order to be God, could not have those.

To treat God as another being among beings is to be fundamentally confused about what constitutes Godness.

Incidentally, this is what makes atheism and thorough-going theism very close cousins. If God doesn’t exist as an object, but instead ought to be conceived of as existence per se or as the Being of beings, then to interpret the experience (of God) as nothing is very nearly as true as a more religious interpretation: God is the active existence of everything and more.

Check out:
Jean Luc Marion, “God Without Being”
Merold Westphal, “Overcoming Onto-Theology” and “Hermeneutics of Suspicion”

Its for this reason that I find myself, as a Christian, agreeing w/ the new atheists. I want to say to them, “You’re right. That THING is not God. Very good. Furthermore, worshiping that THING is idolatry and is of course bad for people. You might even call it a sin.”

For that reason, I often find that atheists are better theists than most religious people I meet. They have a requisite respect for the standards of what would qualify as God than most christians, muslims, jews, mormons, etc.

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By: p7tms https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4978 p7tms Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:23:41 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4978 A while back I viewed a brainiac video on youtube about walking across a pool of custard, and they went on to mention that no one could walk on water (except they hinted about God).
I did mention (as a acientific item) that you could walk on water – provided it was frozen. After that I received 2 messages stating I was a smarta$$.

I guess for me, I tend to go with the ideas that Start Trek: TNG posed — that if a developed species visited cavemen, the cavemen might think the species was a higher power.

Then again, I have experienced and seen things that (at least for me and a few people) seem like a cosmic set of gears and everything worked together to “line up” to allow certain things to happen.

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By: iStarBadger https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4977 iStarBadger Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:39:21 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4977 of course there was no derision on Ari’s part

and when as I hope she has a part in the development of BrunoBrunhilda Death Dealing Rat SNAKE GOD

it will work it’s way thru

where I differ from approval of DAWKINS but do approve CARLIN is that Carlin is funny and he’s not saying there isn’t a god he is saying well go listen to it

dawkins is saying there is no a god – if anyone challenges him – he’ll back down – because no one with a brain can assert there is not a god

the rest is just comedy -

my god has a bigger pisser than your god

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By: iStarBadger https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4976 iStarBadger Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:28:21 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4976 As someone who was raised by two Born Again Christians, I can honestly say I have had my fill of Christianity.
However, as funny as Ari’s reaction was to her grandmother’s beliefs, I don’t know if laughing at someone based on what they choose to believe in is really nice.
Granted, I know that you’ve said that it was more of her shock at someone who actually believes in an invisible hoodoo and not you all laughing in unison saying, “THAT STUPID OLD LADY! SHE SURE IS STUPID!” but you should explain that some people find comfort in having something/someone to pray to, and believe in. And as long as her grandmother isn’t forcing her views onto Ari, I don’t see anything wrong with it.

THAT’S RIGHT Allahkat
George Carlin had money making take it to the bank piece; it is on youtube “God Bless America”
But if you’re in a bar down here in the South, you might think twice about mocking God or America, as you’re not a dead standup comic but if you don’t shut the fuck up you may be dead or missing your front and back teeth.

I’ve had the pleasure of working with or being the student of teachers or masters not merely at the PhD level but beyond to know first hand that belief or non-belief in God does not seem to have any mapping to that does the Noble Prize Level Physics.

Sure you can make up lists but lots of those guys are doing it for the fame fortune and millions.
It is as simple as a google to discover that minds as creative as Newton believed a much of crazy stuff. That is as simple as the fact that to be that creative you jump way out of the box and while sure there is no god you know there are fairies in Ireland.

As far as I am concerned right now mocking a Christian is right up there will pulling wings off flies. String Theory is a mess; we went by the tipping pt. Two years ago, methane release, and no one has found a Higgs Boson. We got nothing. Any one who claims to be more than a
Knight of Ignorance is well – could be an atheist.

To assert there is no “god” is way outside the scientific method and an over reaching.

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By: Shannon https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4975 Shannon Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:07:24 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4975 I actually take more of a Dawkins view — that it’s fundamentally WRONG to be religious. I don’t think it’s ok, and I don’t think it should be coddled or accepted. I think it’s the root of far to much evil to treat as acceptable.

That said, there was definitely no derision going on.

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By: Allahkat https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4974 Allahkat Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:51:56 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4974 As someone who was raised by two Born Again Christians, I can honestly say I have had my fill of Christianity.
However, as funny as Ari’s reaction was to her grandmother’s beliefs, I don’t know if laughing at someone based on what they choose to believe in is really nice.
Granted, I know that you’ve said that it was more of her shock at someone who actually believes in an invisible hoodoo and not you all laughing in unison saying, “THAT STUPID OLD LADY! SHE SURE IS STUPID!” but you should explain that some people find comfort in having something/someone to pray to, and believe in. And as long as her grandmother isn’t forcing her views onto Ari, I don’t see anything wrong with it.

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By: wlfdrgn https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4973 wlfdrgn Sun, 04 Jan 2009 13:35:22 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4973 Careful what you say about fairy godmothers. If you piss them off, they won’t bring you any more glass slippers.

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By: iStarBadger https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4971 iStarBadger Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:10:37 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4971 God Bless America

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By: Lacy https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4970 Lacy Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:11:37 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4970 Haha that’s so good.

I’m glad that someone knows how to raise their children. A free mind and a strong will, maybe the next generation can actually get something good done.

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By: p7tms https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4969 p7tms Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:59:34 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4969 I dont know if I would feel comfortable playing a game where the reward for failing is a shock treatment.:P

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By: siobhan https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4966 siobhan Sun, 04 Jan 2009 07:21:37 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4966 I was not raised religiously and don’t remember ever believing in god, but I did seriously believe in Santa until I was 7. Does she or did she ever believe in Santa or the Easter Bunny?

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By: Heretic https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4965 Heretic Sun, 04 Jan 2009 06:21:44 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4965 I’d be so proud, no seriously I would! Free thought is the greatest gift you can give a child!

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By: Jonathan Martinez https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4964 Jonathan Martinez Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:23:58 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4964 lol…it remembers me my younger brother, when he was about 4 years old, screaming at the street: “Look mamma!!! a chinesse!!!” He could not believe it, of course, he was in Venezuela…so it was strange for him…lol.

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By: busybee https://zentastic.me/blog/2009/01/03/how-shocking/comment-page-1/#comment-4962 busybee Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:52:46 +0000 https://zentastic.me/blog/?p=5926#comment-4962 It’s like Simon Says with a kick!

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